On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 10:57:49AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > So, I'm looking at this from a user perspective. > > * F25 is announced > * User goes to getfedora.org, sees new "atomic" icon. > * User clicks through > * User sees that Atomic is still F24. > > From that point, one of two things happens: > > 1. User files a bug, and we're flooded with "atomic download page not > updated" bugs, or > > 2. user decides that Atomic isn't a real thing and never goes back. I don't think we'd leave the Atomic page with F24 with no explanation. There's _already_ an explanation around the two-week cycle, and that can just be expanded a bit — again, in the case where it doesn't happen to be ready, which isn't necessarily where we're at. > I really don't see a flow that results in the user checking back two > weeks later to see if Atomic has been updated yet. Especially since > we're dealing with a substantial issue with SELinux and it's not > guaranteed that there will be an F25 atomic release 2 weeks later, either. They shouldn't have to check back; it should be part of the normal flow of updates. I can't see any situation where "come back in six months!" is a _better_ alternative. > You are the Project Leader, and you can certainly say "do it anyway". > But please understand why I think it's not a great idea. Well, here's some background thinking: new Fedora versions do not appear to be, in general, big drivers of user adoption. There's a spike of downloads the first week of a release, but it's a fraction of the total downloads for a release. And, each release keeps growing in use over its lifecycle until the next comes out. Basically, people are coming for Fedora, and getting whatever version happens to be current. This is one of the reasons behind dropping unique release names, and shortly after, focusing on the Editions — rather than making a big deal about Schrödinger's Cat vs. Heisenbug, the marketing push should be around Atomic, Workstation, and Server individually. The release does give us an excuse for PR, but it's my sense that two releases a year is a little overwhelming for that — we are still getting F24 reviews coming in. And, since column inches are (figuratively these days!) limited, generally the press we get is 90% desktop, with only mentions of Atomic and Server, so that benefit is dubious for Atomic anyway. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list -- cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to cloud-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
