1. If it were me, I'd merge Server and Cloud products into one, called Server, and distribute it as an install DVD , a netinstall CD and images for the various cloud hosting providers. Strip as much as you can out of it to get the image sizes down but keep Anaconda, dnf and repository compatibility with Workstation. 2. The Docker base image is OK in size now - it's still bigger than Debian 'jessie' but its close in size to the much more widely used Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and CentOS 7 images. The problem with the Fedora base Docker image isn't size, it's that it isn't popular. Go look at the download numbers on Docker Hub: Ubuntu: 4397479 CentOS: 727768 Debian: 426676 Fedora: 106409 We got there late and Ubuntu grabbed the market share. I'm using Fedora in my Docker images mostly to maintain compatibility with Workstation, but that costs me when someone asks, "Why aren't you using Ubuntu like everyone else? I can't just fork your project - I have to port it!" In all likelihood I'll be forced to port the images to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS if I want people to use them. :-( On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Matt Micene <nzwulfin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> But in order to be really useful unless they're all-in on Fedora, many >> people will want the python version for their >> infrastructure/environment, not whichever python we happen to ship in a >> given release. > > > That's always been the case and why software collections came about. > Rewriting system tools to make it easier for someone who might like to use a > different version of python at /usr/bin sounds like overkill. A lot EC2 > AMIs, public and private, are 8GB+ snapshots with 2GB+ of OS installed. > > I may be "broken record"ing but I'm still seeing context switches between > the cloud "flavors" (atomic, docker base, cloud-ified server). We need to > be careful were making the right changes to the right "flavor". Ripping > everything out of Docker Base makes sense, not so much for Cloud Server. A > common baseline across the board that says "Cloud Server is Base + Server > and Docker Base is Base + Stripped System Utils" may not be worth the effort > to maintain. > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 01:00:34PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > But cloud isn't minimal. It's Cloud. It needs to be useful for >> > Cloud-y things. Like management via Ansible, etc. If you're going >> > for minimal, you guys might as well become the Base image which >> > doesn't exist today. >> >> But in order to be really useful unless they're all-in on Fedora, many >> people will want the python version for their >> infrastructure/environment, not whichever python we happen to ship in a >> given release. >> >> -- >> Matthew Miller >> <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Fedora Project Leader >> _______________________________________________ >> cloud mailing list >> cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud >> Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > > > > _______________________________________________ > cloud mailing list > cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > -- OSJourno: Robust Power Tools for Digital Journalists http://www.znmeb.mobi/stories/osjourno-robust-power-tools-for-digital-journalists Remember, if you're traveling to Bactria, Hump Day is Tuesday and Thursday. _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
