(Re-directing the discussion from #fedora-cloud on Freenode..) Heya, (Without trying to make it a large 'theoretical' discussion..) So, should we (Fedora) reconsider the "noble goal" (as Matthew Miller put it) of having one cloud image serve all cloud providers? Or separate images (sure, there's more work involved) that are specific Because, lately we've seen several problems where cloud-init has been breaking things in subtle ways, like output of boot messages on console.log for OpenStack/Amazon/Eucalyptus has been broken in different Garret Holmstrom and Matthew Miller (both who's been in the trenches of these issues can describe much better than I can at this midnight hour). They also discussed a couple of ideas on IRC like - configuring journald to forward to both syslog and the console e.g. (please read the issue described above) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=977952 -- RFE: disable all direct writes to the console And, comparing Fedora images with Cirros -- they output a neat array of bunch of commands (I think I noted this previously on this list) that's helpful for debugging. Refer this previous thread https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2013-April/002371.html but haven't reached a proper conclusion. Any further thoughts from other folks here on how to resolve this would be nice to hear. -- /kashyap _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud