future of Boxgrinder ... building cloud images

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2012, David Busby wrote:

I think you'll find it hard to get any traction here kickstarts especially
in the "cloud front" are used increasingly less in favour of bootstrapping
an instance with  puppet / chef for provisioning above and beyond the base
os.

well known, but the non-idempotent, and 'successive approximation' nature of such solutions converging to a configuration makes such tools less compelling than a using kickstart against a 'repoclosed' universe of packages.

I am interested in the building of 'base JEOS' images to our virtualization service, that are then handed off as 'gold masters' for clinets who THEN inject their certificates, keys and credentials. There are of course security and liability implications in releasing images keyed to masters not known to the end user, and kickstart solves them well, and the devops tools less well

The tdl format is somewhat of a stop gap between kickstarts and fully
fledged provisioning I have found, and a good project providing many
example tdls is the Aeolus project: http://www.aeolusproject.org/

I am generally aware of it as a project, and I think follow a blog on the matter, but not a mailing list. I'll remedy that and read for a bit. But packaging Ruby has been a 'bear' and seemed to be 'not well solved' yet. I have no aversion to Ruby -- we use it on a project internally -- but adding random 'gems' not well understood as to versioning and security model, is troubling

-- Russ herrold
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