Okay. Thanks, Peter.
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:07 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:00 PM Donatom M <donatom.martino@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> How do I do that. I thought it would be automatic.
Reply All.
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:20 PM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Please leave the mailing list on replied.
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>> > I would agree that fedora 34 arm has some disadvantages when run on Raspberry Pi 4 with xorg server. I have fedora installed onto a SSD drive. As another member mentioned, I have found that audio does not work out of the box. I have not tried to get audio to work because audio was not important to me on this build. I would hope that Raspberry Pi support and fedora-arm would work on remedying the few problems that exist.
>> >
>> > I would like to note that I also have Archlinux-Arm with X server on an SD card (128 GiG) and everything works without any problem at all, so I would think that if Arch-ARM can build a system that is fully functional on Raspberry Pi 4, so can Fedora-ARM. All of my systems are running 64 bit with Raspberry Pi 4, by the way.
>>
>> Archlinux-Arm uses the downstream Raspberry Pi fork of the kernel.
>>
>> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 1:32 AM Peter Robinson <pbrobinson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > >> On this page it states that the RPi4 is not supported.
>> >>
>> >> That is correct, there's a very large cavernous gap between "may work
>> >> for a number of purposes including yours" and something that will work
>> >> for the vast majority of users.
>> >>
>> >> The core "supported" status will change when the standard GUI runs
>> >> fully accelerated and users have WiFi/sound and the things that are
>> >> associated with a reasonable desktop experience as that's the default
>> >> means a lot of new users expect. That's what I, as the RPi maintainer,
>> >> did when we introduced "supported" RPi3. Any less than that the
>> >> support queries are too high.
>> >>
>> >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/Raspberry_Pi#Raspberry_Pi_4
>> >> > >
>> >> > > yes the statement about hardware support isn't quite correct anymore.
>> >> > > But there is still a noticeable difference between the mainline kernel
>> >> > > (which Fedora uses) and the vendor kernel from the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Most notably are:
>> >> > > - audio support
>> >> > > - V3D support
>> >>
>> >> Those two are critical.
>> >>
>> >> > An update to say clearly that only server/headless worked then would better the. The blanket “it does not work”. I is only that I looked deeper that I found out that it
>> >> > might work.
>> >>
>> >> The Wiki page explicitly does not say "it does not work" it says it's
>> >> not supported. The words are chosen specifically. By saying it's
>> >> supported a user can rock up when something doesn't work and ask for
>> >> support or assistance, if something breaks we block the release etc.
>> >> By saying it's not supported a user may try it and if it works for
>> >> them great, but if it breaks while we'll attempt to fix it that may
>> >> take time and it may not get fixed.
>> >>
>> >> > Oh and would need a warning that the boot is very slow.
>> >> > I see a black screen for a couple of minutes before I see any output
>> >> > from the kernel or systemd.
>> >>
>> >> Oh look, a user asking for "support".... see my points above!
>> >>
>> >> > > A lot users doesn't accept this. Instead of blaming the vendor to focus
>> >> > > on its own kernel branch, they blame Fedora for using the mainline
>> >> > > kernel. So that's the reason to say it's not officially supported.
>> >>
>> >> It's one reason, but not the only ones.
>> >>
>> >> > >> There a lots of messages in this mailing archieve showing that people are
>> >> > >> getting Fedora to work on RPi4.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, and that's the idea, a more advanced user will be able to
>> >> ascertain it works, and it has for a *long* time and likely be able to
>> >> do most of what they want to do.
>> >>
>> >> > >> Is there still a reason to claim its not supported?
>> >> > >> If so what should I be watching out for/avoiding with the RPi4?
>> >> > > For a headless / server setup there shouldn't be no general issues.
>> >>
>> >> For a headless server it should be fine, but a general user comes via
>> >> Fedora Workstation and expect and accelerated desktop and sound and we
>> >> don't have them working ATM.
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >> - The Fedora Raspberry Pi "maintainer"
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