Re: fedora project projects

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:56:52AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> In going through the project structure wiki, I've come across a thing
>> I've always thought a little funny. Fedora Project is an umbrella term,
>> and underneath that, we have an official thing called a ... Project.
>> Does anyone object to consistently referring to these as, instead,
>> Subprojects?
>>
>> Additionally, while <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Defining_projects>
>> has a formal procedure for these subprojects, we haven't particularly
>> followed up on things like "Projects at this stage are expected to
>> provide regular progress reports and to maintain an active state." As
>> we were talking about having some of the Council meetings being
>> reporting-focused, I think this might be a natural fit for bringing
>> reality in line with the documentation.
>>
>> On the other hand, the section on SIGs focuses on the path to becoming
>> a full Project Project, while the praxis is really captured in the last
>> sentences: "It is possible for SIGs to exist indefinitely in this
>> manner if the contributors feel there is no need for official project
>> status. Indeed, many SIGs are sufficiently narrow in focus that they do
>> not require project status to fulfill their missions." Here, I think
>> it'd be better to rewrite this to put the SIGs-as-they-are aspect first
>> and the incubator possibility as second.
>>
>> And then, of course, there's no mention of the Fedora.next structure
>> here at all. The Working Groups we established are in many ways
>> effectively each Subprojects (and the standards they're meant to be
>> held to are similar); should they be considered as part of that, or as
>> something distinct?
>
> My recollection is that page is extremely old.  I would argue it's
> also not extremely useful because it simply formalizes common sense.
> It also adds a level of bureaucracy to initiatives contributors ought
> to feel free to start at any time.  When I read this page it fills me
> with ennui.  I guess what I'm advocating is to not take every wiki
> page hanging around for 7+ years as de facto necessary to carry
> forward. :-)

I agree.

josh
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