On Jan 22, 2014 2:20 AM, "Christian Schaller" <cschalle@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Ok, I seen this issue raised a few times now about the NVidia driver and the Fedora kernel update policy.
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> We are well aware that there are challenges here, Josh Boyer who is the lead Fedora kernel developer
> is part of the Fedora Workstation Working Group and inside Red Hat I manage among other things the graphics team
> who maintains and develops things like Nouveau, but at the same time the same team works with Nvidia dealing
> with issues encountered by common customers of Red Hat and NVidia. So between Josh and Red Hat graphics team
> I hope you can trust that we have the right people on board to find a solution if a solution is possible.
>
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Hi Christian, peripheral question:
The above statement implies that you or your team communicates with NVIDIA in the context of business needs and customer impact, where it pays to listen. Has anyone discussed our goals and values with them? Opening the driver sources would be excellent but admittedly a hard sell, but shipping them in a sane repo instead of a blob that breaks with kernel updates is more appealing, and a marketable feature. The changes to xorg bits done by their installer isn't great either. I would be interested to hear of any discussions with OEMs along these lines.
Users, especially the type you're targeting in this proposal, are accustomed to visiting the Nvidia site for Nvidia drivers, the adobe site for flash, and so on. Nvidia is doing it wrong; I think we shouldn't take on the job of fixing it, for all the reasons discussed here, but does it go against our values to help them do it better? Third party providers have their own marketing departments, let them worry about capturing users, we don't need to lead users to them. At the same time, if the third party software breaks usability for our users and cripples our product, I think we have some responsibility to communicate those problems, and I don't think it conflicts with our values to lead them to a better way. Once they start down that path, they might even follow it further.
--Pete
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