https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-09-03 = Board Meeting 03 Sep 2010 = == Roll Call == * Present: Chris Tyler, Jared Smith, Máirín Duffy, Jon Stanley, Matt Domsch, Colin Walters, Tom 'spot' Callaway, Stephen 'Smooge' Smoogen * Regrets: Rex Dieter * MIA: Chris Aillon * Assigned meeting secretary: Máirín Duffy == Agenda == * Updates * Top Tickets * Other Board Business === Updates === * F14 progressing towards Beta ** Still lots of blockers on the blocker list, unfortunately *** systemd go/no-go decision at some point? (Yes, when is up to FESCo) *** Jared start convos about the feature process **** does there need to be something more formal than the wiki page **** want to ensure features will interact well with other features too **** FESCo with primary responsibility of figuring this out - want to have joint meeting with FESCo deciding on these things ** Please try to get people involved in Test Days *** Help get the word out on the systemd test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd * New Meeting Time? ** Friday PM meetings are tough b/c easy to forget things over weekend ** only got 8 responses to whenisgood.net, 4 times everyone can make so far (All Eastern Time): *** Add here if you're OK with any - walters spot mizmo *** 2 pm on Monday - jsmith jstanley ctyler mdomsch *** 4 pm on Monday - jstanley jsmith *** 2 pm on Wednesday - Matt ctyler *** 4 pm on Wednesday - jstanley jsmith ** Monday general a good time for meetings - start week on the right foot, but also sometimes can get cancelled from holidays ** 1 hour long, but block of 1.5 hours just-in-case (follow-up convos, etc) ** So far favorite time seems to be 2 pm on Monday *** won't meet next Monday *** IRC meeting next week (10 Sep) *** pick up with Monday schedule on (13 Sep) *** #action jsmith to update meeting times on wiki page (wiki/Board, wiki/Board - past meetings info box) * Is the Board working as it should? ** Email from Sankarshan http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-September/009193.html ** Matt: *** has not had as much time as he's wanted to devote to board stuffs *** some items should have fast turnaround times - e.g., fedoracommunity.org domains - but we're been lagging on these ** Jon: *** can we have a way to fast-track these small items? they only should take a day or two ** Jared: *** should just take care of it on the mailing list right? *** a lot of this stuff could be done on the list *** haven't seen as many posts from board members on the advisory-board list *** try to communicate more on the board list if you haven't been *** shouldn't have to wait for next phone meeting to take care of small things like trademark agreements & community domains ** Colin: *** review after commit? can they just put up a site and notify us, within a week after the site is up, they can get approval to continue? ** Jared: *** should definitely have website up & running before we do the approval *** maybe we assign a temp domain, temp39.fedoracommunity.org until we approve it formally *** no blanket approval on requested domain name only - need to see the site too ** Matt: *** How involved are we individually on messages on advisory board.... I read it a lot but don't necessarily post a whole lot; it's just how I tend to operate. For example, the last thread, I jumped in, but I don't want to go back and forth just for the sake of doing so ** Jared: *** important once in a while just to say hey we're listening & paying attention *** past members of board/fesco/community - a lot feel like they are ignored, nobody is giving them feedback that they've heard what was said *** don't have to agree all the time, but make it clear we're listening - maybe just not ready to jump in yet ** Jon: *** when I do post my posts tend to be dissected in the most negative way possible :( ** mizmo: *** Frustrated about talking about doing rather than doing ** Smooge: *** Things take longer when you're trying to build consensus *** Miscommunication easy over terminology eg. *** Take longer to communicate on a board to make sure everyone uses same words with same meanings since so much communication is 'overloaded' ** Jared: *** Not the only one frustrated *** As much communication as possible on mailing list before meeting ** Mizmo: *** idea for shared blog for board *** easier to moderate commentary *** one place to go to see what board's working on *** some concerns about board blog vs individual board member blogs ** Jared: *** #action mizmo & jstanley to talk to mmcgrath about setting it up on the existing fedora blogs system blogs.fedoraproject.org ** How do we hold each other accountable? *** if you say you are gonna do something.... *** list of tickets... we haven't gotten so far on 'em *** we haven't gone through as often as we should to close them *** during meetings only have time for top 5-6 tickets, a lot more in there *** if you think i should be doing x on a ticket and aren't, feel free to call me on it ** Spot: *** anybody interested in triaging the trac queue? (someone who's been on board a while would be good for backhistory on issues) ** Ctyler: *** is there an RSS feed for open tickets in a trac? ** Mdomsch: *** after fedoracommunity.org domain requests, only about 12 tickets so not a huge task to triage * Outstanding community domain requests ** Ticket 72: lu.fedoracommunity.org *** https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/72 *** Belgium & Luxemborg *** Matt in favor of lu because Belgium folks hosting it **** Smooge, Jared, Matt, Jon in favor **** Chris T (re: Spot's comment)- isn't mockup part of the process? **** Matt: is lu.fco going to point to be.fco? That's what Matt thought - we can ask for clarification ** Jared: keyword in trac for community domain requests to make it easy to pull up a report? *** Matt: 'fedoracommunity' or 'fedoradomain'? *** Spot: 'community domain request" *** Matt: Here's the trac report for community domain requests: https://fedorahosted.org/board/report/1 *** Jared: Everybody on the board is now a trac admin ** Ticket 73: arabic *** Language rather than geography. from our mailing list that would be fine *** https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/73 *** we still need to see content for what they want to post *** Jon: I don't understand any language other than English... how will we know what it says? *** Jared: Google translate for an approximation *** Spot: I know some Arabic speakers who could review for us *** Chris T: I think we have a precedent for language sites: didn't we approve a Farsi site, for folks who speak Farsi from multiple countries? ***** Spot: actually I think it was trademark approval for a site that wasn't fedoracommunity.org *** Jared: overall we don't care about language vs. geo as long as there isn't any conflicting namespace ** Ticket 74: dk for denmark? dk for language or country? *** https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/74 *** Spot: if it's for a language should be full language name, country or region should be country code, standardize on that and deal with odd cases as we need to *** Jared: spanish.fedoracommunity.org & espanol.fedoracommunity.org? - Spot that's fine, just make it clear languages spelled out ** Ticket 75: China (zn, ch, tw) *** https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/75 *** IIRC we'd said ch is okay, not the other two *** cn is the country code **** Spot: they should be getting cn.... **** Jon: then give them cn **** Spot: do the other codes conflict? ***** ch is switzerland - can't give them that ***** cn is china - so that one is ok for the main website ***** tw is taiwan - ask them not to use tw ***** zn is not a country code (but we did grant an exception to the greece one as a bounce, Spot says this would be a similar exception - use it just as a redirect) === Meta Meeting Discussion === * Colin: Not a lot of time left, let's prioritize on what we have left * Spot/Jared: if we need to have more meetings to get it done rather than linger forever, we should do on a temp basis * Chris T: add a Wed meeting for a week or two to deal with backlog? ** Agreed: Spot / Jon / Matt / Chris ** next meeting 08 Sept 2010 @ 4 pm phone meeting ** at that meeting we'll review if we need another extra credit meeting ** the week after a bunch of us will be in Zurich === Review of open tickets === * Ticket 78: Vision statement ** when will we be ready to vote on vision statement? *** mizmo - once we have a statement we agree on we should try to come up with 3-4 shorter term mini vision statements, focuses for the immediate future/etc., draw them out too because they may change the wordsmithing of the vision statement *** deadline: board meeting Monday 27 Sept, phone meeting - includes vision statement AND short term goals.... *** homework - chime in on list * Ticket 79: Anthropology Report * Ticket 81: start.fedoraproject.org ** #action Jared will be working with marketing team, mentioned to Robyn but not whole team yet so will follow back up on * Ticket 82: Charter for Community Working Group ** #action Rex has ticket and posted an update to the list this morning * Ticket 83: Revisit Updates Vision ** #action Rex to start conversation on his concern with the updates vision to get to a point it can be thumbs'ed up or thumbs-ed down * Ticket 84: Annual User Survey ** Jon & Jared: think the answer is yes, but did we learn anything from the last one? (Anthropology report) ** Jared: dont think we've done any actionable items on it - if we're not taking action on data we do have why collect more? ** Spot: not a user survey, a contributor survey. Not folks who just consume. Request here is to ask folks who are not contributors too. ** Spot is okay with ticket #84 if Robyn is doing it, not biased, knows what she is doing and has a good approach proposed === Other Board Business === ==== IRC Meetings? ==== * Matt: not getting stuff done, just answering questions. ** Mizmo: important but more like office hours ** Jared: homework for next Wed's meeting - less IRC meetings, have them at different times than phone meetings or board meetings? extra office hours? How should this be structured? ** Matt: no less than monthly on IRC -how has turnout been? Have always been able to use up the hour. Bi-weekly makes sense maybe. ** Smooge: people feel like there's a bunch of pent up 'are you really listening' ** Mizmo: suggested maybe having office hours bi-weekly, but not every board member has to go, maybe rotating duty for 4-5 board members a week.... then have regular board meetings weekly on phone? ==== Helpful things to do in the next week ==== * Look over blocker list and help out * Help get the word out on the systemd test day on Sept. 9 (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd) * Look at vision statement thus far on advisory-board list. Need a vision statement we can agree on and ~3ish short term goals for taking action towards that vision. ** Thread beginning: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2010-August/009026.html * Think about our meeting structure. Homework for next Wed's meeting - less IRC meetings, have them at different times than phone meetings or board meetings? extra office hours? How should this be structured? === Action Items === * #action jsmith to update meeting times on wiki page (wiki/Board, wiki/Board - past meetings info box) * #action mizmo & jstanley to talk to mmcgrath about setting it up on the existing fedora blogs system blogs.fedoraproject.org * #action mdomsch to ask luxemborg peeps if they intend to put lu.fedoracommunity.org as a redirect to be.fedoracommunity.org - https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/72 * #action Rex has ticket and posted an update to the private list this morning - community charter group * #action Rex to start conversation on his concern with the updates vision to get to a point it can be thumbs'ed up or thumbs-ed down * #action Jared will be working with marketing team on start.fedoraproject.org, mentioned to Robyn but not whole team yet so will follow back up on == Next meeting == * Next meeting: Wed 08 September 2010, phone meeting 4 pm, regrets CTyler ** Should we invite FESCo? FAMSCo? A particular SIG? * Next meeting after that: Friday 10 September 2010, public IRC meeting #fedora-board-meeting * Then 13 Sept 2010 Phone meeting * Then 20 Sept 2010 IRC * Then 27 Sept 2010 Phone deadline for vision muahahaha [[Category:Board meetings]] _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
