https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2010-05-27 == Roll Call == * Present: Paul Frields, Josh Boyer, Chris Tyler, Dennis Gilmore, Matt Domsch, John Poelstra, Colin Walters, Mike McGrath, Christopher Aillon * Regrets: * Assigned meeting secretary: Colin Walters == Agenda == === License agreement for fedorastorm.com === https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/68 * Logo usage problem fixed as requested * QUESTION: Is there anyone on the Board who does not support licensing this site? If not, what would need to change for you to do so? * ACTION: Official Stamp Of Approval === Hall monitor policy change === https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/67 ** https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Hall_Monitor_Policy&diff=172746&oldid=171600 ** One objection was raised to first added bullet ("...achive: * the perception of the friendly inviting community") *** Bullet struck from text. ** Not clear how to balance increased specificity with the demands on the monitors themselves * ACTION: continue discussion at future meeting, with input from current hall monitors * QUESTION: Is there anyone who does not support the changes made by Matt and John to this page? What would have to change for you to do that? * stickster: Concern from spot this will create more work * jwb: Somewhat arbitrary, may let threads continue * spot: Don't want to be in position of having to judge every single thread for purpose. ** Original purpose was to stop aggressively negative people. * mmgrath: Are these constraints or tools? (various opinions: the latter) * stickster: Need grounds for actions * spot: People are going to complain they're being profiled * mdomsch: Would be OK striking threads completely * stickster: OK for us to say we're comfortable with original policy * poelstra: Has there been a negative impact on Fedora as a result of invoking hall monitoring? ** (general discussion): No? * stickster: Binding with red tape doesn't work well; trying to define cases encourages more and more language lawyering * spot: Non-constructive threads are out of scope of hall monitoring * mdomsch: This was in the original - we can delete it, we have the technology. Was hall monitoring an experiment? * spot: Only one instance where we had to moderate someone for a period of time, but not justification to get rid of it * jwb: Uncertain we'll know until we get to another contentious point * stickster: Treating a symptom and not the disease; doctors treat both * spot: We want enforcers for something like Ubuntu's Social Contract * stickster: How do we quantify non-constructiveness? * (discussion): Not really possible * ctyler: Ok with removing it * ACTION: Matt made change to the page * ACTION: spot to present rationale on advisory-board list (discussion about additional hall monitors) === Fedora 13 release === * Board should publicly thank everyone! * stickster: Offers to create draft === Future board topic === * Revisiting hall monitoring * "Poisonous people" problem -- how do we identify and solve it? * Lots of anecdotal advice, what about practical applications and examples of where it's been done right and wrong? * stickster: Hard to root out after it's been embedded for a long time from particular people ** Look for examples from other communities ** Want to encourage collaboration and interaction, but we've maybe encouraged growth without establishing clear ground rules ** without looking at the tradeoffs * ctyler: Need to make Fedora less hospitable for people who make Fedora less hospitable * Next Board will take up this issue ** possibly demands a special session, it's a complicated problem == Next meeting == * Thursday, 2010-06-03 UTC 1600 ** TENTATIVE ** Regular Board IRC Public meeting ** Potential first seating of new Board members _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
