On Saturday, February 20, 2010, Paul Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Saturday, February 20, 2010, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote: >> >>> 2010/2/20 Paul W. Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx>: >>> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 08:44:56PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: >>> >> Hi Greg, >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 17:30 -0500, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: >>> >> > Think of it this way: every Fedora subproject, from the lowest SIG to the >>> >> > loftiest, competes for resources, to a greater or lesser extent. >>> >> > >>> >> > Like the homepage, for instance. The homepage of redhat.com, for example, >>> >> > is the subject of insanely brutal infighting, because everyone wants to >>> >> > see their baby get equal treatment. Which is fair, btw, and which we will >>> >> > see more and more in Fedora-land as we continue to discuss issues of >>> >> > "focus". >>> >> > >>> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_economy >>> >> > >>> >> > "Attention", or "focus" if you prefer, is a scarce resource. If you work >>> >> > on KDE or Xfce, and all of the conversation is continually around "focus", >>> >> > and it seems like that "focus" discussion continues to be "a usability >>> >> > focus on the primary spin," then one wonders "will I have access to these >>> >> > resources?" In fact, one knows the answer, and therefore doesn't bother >>> >> > to ask. >>> >> >>> >> Those resources are not as fluid or transferable as they seem in the >>> >> abstract, though. Adam enjoys working on XFCE. Nobody is going to force >>> >> him to stop working on it - it's just not reasonable. I have no QT or >>> >> KDE app design expertise. If we suddenly decided to focus on the KDE >>> >> spin as the default spin, am I going to be expected to start churning >>> >> out mockups for KDE apps or am I going to be prevented from continuing >>> >> to work on mockups for GTK+-based apps? >>> >> >>> >> There's a reality here that's not being acknowledged, and it has little >>> >> to do with popularity. I hope folks who work on XFCE or KDE in Fedora >>> >> don't come into those projects with the expectation that the same amount >>> >> of resources are dedicated to those as the desktop spin - because that's >>> >> never been true, and I sure hope they've not been misled into thinking >>> >> so. If I go to a Honda dealer in order to buy a Chevy I saw an ad for in >>> >> the paper, I do go with the full understanding that they're a Honda >>> >> dealership and don't argue with the dealer that he should have that used >>> >> Cobalt in red, blue, and silver as well as black. >>> > [...snip...] >>> > >>> > It's important we realize this isn't just about spins or desktop >>> > environments. It's also about the people who work on QA, release >>> > engineering, docs, marketing, testing, and so forth. Since time >>> > immemorial we've had unresolved questions about how to resolve >>> > conflicts between how our technology moves, what should be documented >>> > by default, how QA picks targets for testing... all of these questions >>> > have been around for a while. In part we're trying to acknowledge >>> > those issues and move on. At the same time, recognizing those areas >>> > may have scant resources, we want to identify the gaps they create >>> > clearly. That way, contributors *know where their help is needed*, >>> > and also have the opportunity to gather like-minded people to work on >>> > closing them. >>> >>> Interesting. As the KDE SIG decided (IIRC it was pointed out that we >>> need that) that we do better QA for the KDE Desktop spin, i sent a >>> mail to the list introduced myself and applied for the QA group in >>> FAS. I still wait to get approved for QA. I dont want to say it's > Mike, I know you're excruciatingly busy, as are we all, but it is very > important especially when dealing with people who are using English as > a second language to rake the time to be a bit more verbose. To a ESL > person this message might be interpreted to mean "you're going to be > kept waiting still." I know that is not at all what you meant but it's > best to use the opportunity when you reply to point the OP to the > right thing to do. Saves a lot of time in misunderstandings. I apologize to Mike and the list -- that reply was not meant for the list and I forgot that my phone interface does things differently from mutt on my PC. I'm sorry, everyone. Paul _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
