On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:43:25PM +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Freitag, den 19.02.2010, 11:50 -0500 schrieb Josh Boyer: > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 05:25:08PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: > > > >Because they get pushed out by reading over and over again how > > >unwanted they are? That's exactly the impression i get. > > > > Where are they reading that? Could you point me to an email or > > wiki page or document from the Board, FESCo, the Spins SIG, the > > Ambassador's group, or any of our other groups that says we don't > > want developers of other environments? > > There is no official document that says this, but there is at least one > board member who claimed that "spins are a detriment to Fedora". He > didn't outline why he thinks so, but the statement still stands. And it > hurts, at least for the people who work on the different spins. > > If you work on something very hard and you get no support from various > groups inside Fedora, you really feel unwanted. The only motivation for > me to continue working on Xfce, LXDE or the Security spin is the > feedback I get from from the users and other developers but there is no > motivation from within the project. Instead I have to justify over and > over again. Sad but true. Let's not confuse someone's personal feelings with the Board as a whole. As Seth Vidal once wisely pointed out, "I speak for myself, not the Board." Having said that, I can't control people's personal feelings, but I certainly would like to encourage them to express them in constructive ways. There's a time cost in writing more carefully, but saving that time is almost never worth what it costs in misunderstandings. > > I'd really like to understand better where these kind of impressions are > > coming from. There is a large difference between "Gnome is our current > > default offering" and "we don't want anyone in Fedora unless they use/ > > contribute to Gnome". > > It's not "we don't want you" but "we wont support you", although this > has never been stated officially. > > > I just do not understand how one could get that > > impression, particularly with all the communication the Board has done > > to the contrary lately. > > I must have missed this because I don't recall the board showing > interest in any of the spins or their user base recently. There was a > lot of discussion about a target audience, but IMO defining a target > audience for Fedora and for the spins are two fundamentally different > things. > > The target audience for Fedora are the "working" users, people who are > active instead of just consuming. Early adopters who are interested in > the latest and greatest technology. You may know better than me because > the board has been working on this definition for quite a while now and > I can subscribe to it very well. [...snip...] This statement confuses "where we are now" with a potential answer to "where we want to be." But I agree that right now, your definition is very representative of whom we're reaching. I'm interested in casting a wider net than that, provided we can give people in that wider net a good reason to get involved and become contributors. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board