On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 11:50 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:16:00 -0500 > "Paul W. Frields" <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > At FUDCon, Christopher Aillon and Jon McCann gave an interesting talk > > on the Fedora software update/installation experience. Bill > > Nottingham and I were present, but given that other Board members have > > had questions about this talk, I wanted to bubble this topic up for > > some more attention. I'm not sure how many other Board or FESCo > > members were in attendance; there were many compelling talks at FUDCon > > from which attendees had to choose. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience > > I'm still not sure this improves anything, at least from reading the > page above (I wasn't able to be at fudcon). > > So, say we have 30updates/day currently. The average starts at around 25-30/day for the first 4 months and then declines to 20 or less over the life of the release. Check the Bodhi "Metrics" pages for some data. > With this model they would pile up and then be tested in a unit? > Then once a week all 210 of them would be pushed out? > (The once a day blorp becomes a larger once a week blorp). Me, I'd prefer a once-a-month drop of changes, but yes. Same amount of changes, just batched into larger, periodic system updates. > Who is testing them "as a single unit" ? Anyone who's interested in testing updates or getting early access to new fixes and features. Collectively referred to as "QA". I'm sure you've heard of us? > How much time for testing would there be? If another update shows up > the day before the weekly push, it would be deferred to the next one? > How about 2 days? 3? Policy remains to be set here. I'd personally advocate monthly update pushes with a freeze at least one week before the release. Stuff that comes in after the freeze goes into the next push. > Would security updates hold for the next weekly push? Absolutely not; security updates will always go out as soon as they're ready. Note that this would mean that we have *much* more available manpower to test the security updates. > Or push out as they are done? If so, wouldn't that mess up in progress > testing? Not really. Security updates are usually small, targeted changes, and they're pretty uncommon - I don't have exact numbers but I'd estimate something like 10/month across the entire distribution; the number of security updates for a typical install will be a subset of that. The destabilizing effect is much, much less than (e.g.) the daily changes we get during the freezes for Alpha/Beta. It's a manageable amount. -w _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
