On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 12:06 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 10/08/2009 10:40 AM, inode0 wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Mike McGrath<mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Upstream developers regularly come to me (as the Infrastructure Lead) > >> Looking for additional resources to do X or Y. I'd like to start > >> providing that. This comes both in terms of just guests to do testing, as > >> well as infrastructure for clients on our installed userbase to do > >> reporting back for various information. > > > I'm still struggling to understand what sorts of real problems are > > made easier to solve by the "What is Fedora?" framework. The default > > spin keeps coming up so I guess either the board isn't happy with how > > that is working now or thinks additional guidance is needed by those > > creating it currently? To help alleviate new user/contributor > > confusion about what Fedora is? > > Knowing what Fedora (or just the default spin) is meant to be and who is > it for is really essential for the design team to produce top-notch > designs and artwork in a productive and efficient manner. > > E.g., the redesign work we've been doing on the fedoraproject.org > website [1] at times has been pretty stressful because there are at > least 2 main and oppositional views on what Fedora is and who is it for, > and people from the different camps give (at times exceedingly harsh) > feedback and criticism of the designs. The problem is, there is no way a > design can satisfy one camp without seriously compromising the needs and > goals of the others. As a designer, this places me in a very > uncomfortable situation. > > The 2 views as I would summarize them are: > > - Fedora is a beautiful, usable desktop for everyone (or at least, we're > getting there.) Pandas are okay! We're ready to push to the masses. > > - Fedora is a menagerie of equal spins for highly-technical folks and > FOSS developers. Don't you dare insult our intelligence with pandas. Go > back to Sesame street. > > Don't get me started on the amount of stress the lack of answers to the > fundamental questions here have caused with respect to the Fedora > artwork & theming. :) > > The main issue from a design perspective is that if no target is > defined, then the target becomes 'everybody' - and I personally feel > it's impossible to make a top-notch, beautiful design when trying to > please everybody. You need the focus of a specific set of target users' > context to be able to make the right decisions in the design process to > come up with a good design. > > > I know I probably sound like I'm set against this business, I really > > just don't see so much of the upside to it as I think you do and I'd > > like to really understand what its purpose is intended to be. > > I hope the above explanation helps? :/ > > ~m > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Website_redesign_2009 > > _______________________________________________ I think this accurately sums up many of the conflicts we've been having over the past many years. Everything to Everybody == failure. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating
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