Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 21:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
We would like to request Fedora Project Board's approval on having this
as part of the official release for Fedora 8 starting with test 3.
Honestly? I think it's too late for F8[1]. The other live images that
are being done were pushed to have things that were testable for the
feature freeze (test2). This coming in at the last minute means that
they're going to say why couldn't they wait.
And really, there's something bigger here. We need to be able to have
groups (such as the Games SIG) able to create and build their own live
images and make them available without requiring the overhead of
1) Release engineering being involved to actually do the build[2]
2) Being able to do their own testing, etc. As it is, Will can't try
all the combinations of everything. Adding more doesn't help.
3) Be able to have releases that aren't carried by all mirrors. Because
the explosion of images is going to be a lot of space on mirrors which
isn't necessarily practical given how "popular" they are
Also, we really need to be able to have a better way of guiding people
to the best option for them to download... with Fedora 7, things had
enough confusion. As we add more to the matrix, it only gets more so.
Jeremy
[1] At least, to have as a spin that's done by release engineering,
carried by all the mirrors, etc. I'd love to see it done, though, and
have us solve some of the problems so that we can make it easier for
groups to start up their own spins like this
[2] I only scale so much. Right now, Fedora 8 is already at twice as
many live images to build and test as Fedora 7... and Fedora 7's number
was plenty for one person
I'd actually like to suggest we do the custom spins over torrents
because it will allow us to judge some popularity and its a much lower
barrier to entry. I'm actually working to find some space dedicated to
a more robust torrent server (possibly one with as much as 1T of space)
which could make hosting that stuff much easier.
Also, I think custom spins don't need to follow the same guidelines as
Fedora proper. I don't know why, for example, a spin couldn't be
released in the middle of a cycle. The question of how something gets
from the SIG to the torrent is still questionable in my mind. I've not
looked at wevisor that much but I know a web based version is being
planned. In the meantime perhaps they could work with the
Infrastructure team once the spin has been approved until a permanent
solution can be put in place?
My concern is that stifling the custom spins very early in life will
dissuade others from participating. Even if in the future a custom spin
just becomes a set of default installed packages + cool custom theme, I
think people will like that. Though the question of QA is a good one.
I've not looked at how customized (and therefore different) from Fedora
a spin can get to the point where it'd need a separate QA path.
-Mike
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