On 16.07.2007 20:22, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 18:46 +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Now that F7 is out, the new Board is elected and the new FESCo ready >> soon as well I'd like to restart the mailing list reorganization >> discussion that the Board asked me to handle months ago, but was first >> delayed (for the plan to have a dedicated fedora mail(man) server, which >> was dropped in between) and then not driven further by me as "the merge" >> seemed more pressing in recent months. > Thanks for taking the time to really dive into this. BTW, is the Board (and the other on the list) still backing the general idea for a reorganization? Otherwise I can save myself to work further on this. > I'll try to keep > comments short as overall it looks pretty good. thx > [...] >> Long term: have a own mailman frontpage on lists.fedoraproject.org that >> lists only mailing lists used by the Fedora Project. > We could also do a short-term form of this just by providing such a > page. It could even just redirect to the wiki for now. Might be the easiest solution. >> == Details how to achieve that end-goal == >> Some lists get renamed >> (http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.70 ; users thus >> don't have to care about re-subscribing) and some get closed, with the >> old users invited (not subscribed) to another list. > In the past, there has been resistance to doing list renames like this. > Perhaps that's changed, but it needs investigating. Mike -- let me know > if you want me to check into this /me waits for further outcome from the subthread that is discussing this I added it to the proposal to make sure it's not forgotten >> === fedora-extras-commits === >> * Successor: fedora-pkgs-commits > Why not just move all commit mail to fedora-cvs-commits and have people > subscribe to it? Then it's an existing list that a lot of people are > already subscribed to. Because * more people are likely on fedora-extras-commits ATM, as fedora-cvs-commits is only for Core <= 6 * because we should avoid the SCM's name in the list name But yeah, you raised a good point: What to do with fedora-cvs-commits? Close? Leave it working till FC6 is EOL (easy)? Merge with fedora-pkgs-commits? I tend to "Leave it working till FC6 is EOL, but invite subscribers to fedora-pkgs-commits" >> === fedora-qa-list === >> * Background: Not much traffic. We further should be able to assume >> that all users on fedora-devel-users are kind of testers/qa, so why not >> use that list for the QA discussions as well? >> * Successor: fedora-devel-users >> * Adjustment strategy: close list, invite users to successor > I think Will has been trying to resurrect this somewhat to really > concentrate on QA/testing. fedora-devel-users might be reasonable, but > then what about people that are wanting to QA/test updates for released > versions? I wonder if we're better off trying to migrate to > fedora-test-list and then make its usage more clear Well, renaming "fedora-test-list" to "fedora-devel-users" is IMHO part of the "make its usage more clear", as a lot of people never got what test-list is for. Maybe "fedora-testers" would be the better name than "fedora-devel-users", but as I want to have "rawhide users/user to {user,developer} talks (like "foo> We need feature bar? us> Will you work on that foo> No, I have no skills for that ") on that list as well, so I still prefer the "fedora-devel-users" name. Especially as that has the "devel" in the name -- a term users often search for. >> === fedora-advisory-list / fedora-project === >> There was the idea to rename fedora-advisory-list to fedora-project >> list. But fedora-advisory-list works well, so maybe it's better to not >> touch it... Should we nevertheless create a fedora-project list as >> discussion list for Fedora-wide things where different groups >> (packagers, art, docs, EPEL, ...) can share informations -- we don't >> have such a place currently and some people seem to miss it > As painful as it might be, fedora-devel-list really probably is that > place. Otherwise, you end up with cross-posting with your hypothetical > fedora-project list and the devel list given the amount of cross-over. Well, then we need to make fedora-devel-list that place, but that's not in line with other parts of the proposal, that target into a direction to make fedora-devel-list a list where real developers talk to other developers. (I'll go a bit more in depth into this and the previous issue in another reply to this list later) >> === fedora-desktop-list === >> Had not that much traffic months ago, but in the recent two months it >> increased a bit again; but the stuff that got posted on this list was >> not that much different from stuff discussed on other lists. The name is >> confusing as well -- people using Fedora on their desktops now and then >> thought this is the proper list for usage questions. We could redirect >> users to fedora-devel-list and fedora-devel-users; or, if we want to >> keep the list, consider to rename it to fedora-desktop-developers. > fedora-desktop-devel seems like a reasonable compromise. Having the > separate list for desktop development discussion is definitely > worthwhile. Just need to make it clearer that cross-posting is grounds > for being thrown off the list (j/k :-) Added that para to the proposal for now. >> * fedora-xen > Originally set up to be analogous to fedora-selinux-list. Basically, a > good avenue for specific troubleshooting and working through things for > a new technology. Tends to be pretty focused discussion and helpful for > people asking questions. Agreed. /me wonders if we should rename it to "fedora-virtualization", to cover kvm as well /me will forget about this thought for now -- remind me of it if you like it ;-) > [...] CU thl _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
