On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 07:30 +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Agreed -- but nevertheless *I* still have the impression that Red Hat > and Fedora developers work to much with upstream on improving the Linux > software stack (which is a good thing in general, but: ) and don't care > enough about our distribution specific stuff. > > Ubuntu is much more active in that area and thus has some interesting > stuff that we are already still working on (codec buddy) or have on our > Roadmap (say: new initsystem). That makes them much more attractive > these days afaics, as they also get the improvements Red Hat has worked > out automatically, too (often before we ship them). > > To say it in another way: In the past it was Red Hat Linux that lead the > way (upstream and in the distribution) and others had to catch up under > the risk to run into a "Cargo Cult". These days it seems to be Ubuntu. I've had this conversation with Jonathan in the past, who has articulated better than most. He feels that working upstream instead of Fedora gives him the most leverage and can drive the direction of the desktop. And he's right, we've been hugely successful at building healthy upstream projects that make our jobs much easier here in Fedora. The downside to that is that Fedora's users are the _last_ to benefit from the work that Red Hat has funded. It's one of the reasons why a healthy and open Fedora is so important to me personally. In a system in which package ownership and maintenance can be done by both people inside of Red Hat and outside, we get the best of both worlds. Strong upstream work by full-time developers and an excited and engaged user/developer base that feels ownership and can do the early and final integration that Red Hat has failed to do because they are too busy fixing upstream issues. This is also connected to why I feel why it's so important that we figure out a better way to handle source, patches and packaging - maybe including source-as-SCM. Early development and testing mediates some of the the Fedora-has-best-practices-but-still-ends-up-last problem. (Loved by upstream projects and developers, used by few.) --Chris _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
