Elliot Lee wrote:
Fedora Extras amazes me with how much stuff I find already packaged in
it. For Extras, I think we may overestimate the value of package quality
and underestimate the value of just having a ton of up-to-date packages,
but things are definitely going in the right direction.
Yeah, it's huge. (Quantity, not quality?) But it's important to be
able to say that we have high quality packages, too. If nothing else,
but for marketing reasons.
The biggest headache for me recently has seemed to be hardware support.
So far, to get my new storage server working half-decently, I've had to
recompile an lm_sensors chip driver with an experimental patch, and
download an experimental network driver that works very poorly. I think
in the past I underestimated the amount of pain people go through
getting their hardware to work. I wonder if there is interest in
creating a "Fedora Kernel" sub-project or something, to do things like:
- package up 3rd party drivers
- improve direct communications with driver developers
- create a distributed hardware test grid (participants would
download a nightly LiveCD image, boot it on a system with questionable
or untested hardware to automatically run a test suite, and report the
results back)
Yep. I've basically been pushing for two big things:
1. Awesome hardware reporting. Including statistics on suspend/resume
rates. I attended mjg59's talk today about supporting suspend + resume.
It was pretty eye opening and I think there are some interesting
things we could do there.
2. Doing something interesting with how we submit patches, share
information and generate packages. Use cases would be "I have the
kernel with this patch and I need to know if it works for other people
as well." So with one click they could generate an rpm for others and
let them know they exist. Same with watching: that I could watch what
davej is doing and try out his code very easily.
Those are the two things that help move the needle, imho.
- and help with the hardware reporting tool that Fedora
Infrastructure keeps talking about. (On the other hand, it was so cool
to plug in a UPS via USB and see the power applet magically show up on
the GNOME panel.)
Yeah, it's great, isn't it? I think DavidZ got a free UPS out of that
deal. :)
The new updates applet & pup are killer, especially having update info
in the pup list.
In other words, there's still plenty of value to be added by perfecting
the basic user experience as opposed to branching out in huge new
directions.
Yep, but doesn't mean we shouldn't be investing in the big stuff down
the road.
--Chris
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