Hi, Max, many thanks for your mail and your (and the Boards) work on Fedora. I know, my mail was quite a bit of a rant, but I hope thats okay now and then. I don't want to start yet another long discussion, but I think I should comment on some parts of your mail as I'm part of the reasons why it was written. Max Spevack schrieb: > [....] > One of the things that is true about Fedora is that this > fedora-advisory-board email list is *THE PLACE* where the interesting > Fedora conversations are had. Far more so than any phone calls that the > Board has. The most important business is conducted on this list. Agreed, at that's a good thing. > [....] > The choice to have those meetings on the phone, as opposed to on IRC, was > one that was made by the Board when we started up, the main reason being > the ones that Paul stated -- phone calls are higher bandwidth, and the > idea is to get everyone in that call on the same page as quickly as > possible. If the Board wants to change its meeting "mechanism" I don't > have a problem with that. It can be put up to discussion/vote in our next > meeting (tomorrow). Just to clarify: I think phone meetings are fine (well, I don't like them much, but I don't have to participate in those from the Board (-; ), but having some kind of open meetings on IRC now and then or have a kind of "consulting-hour" might be something nice in addition (and no, not all members need to participate in that "consulting-hour", but at least three or four should). > [...] > Like the rest of you, I prefer to see the big decisions made on-list, > where there are public archives and anyone in the Fedora community can > participate. Well, this list is invitation only, fedora-devel is much to noisy. I'm *wondering* if we should have some kind of "fedora-project-discussions" mailinglist, where any member of cla_done in the accounts system can participate (or even all? maybe moderated?). > The Fedora Board is not meant to be a bottleneck -- it's meant to be a > guide. Some of the places in the thread from last week mentioned that the > Board should involve itself more into decisions. I don't know about that Site note to that: Involve does not have to mean make the decisions for the sub-projects. It could guide here now and then, especially on big tasks (e.g. ask "Can we help with to get foo take off/realized?") or if the project isn't working properly (e.g. like Legacy currently). Also mediating between the different sub-projects maybe could help here and there. > -- there's been several cases where the Board has stepped in in the last > few months and "made a decision" about some topic, but those were only > situations in which it seemed like the folks who were closest to those > decisions had reached an impasse. > > I don't necessarily like the idea of the Board just swooping in and > declaring things about certain projects that already have their own > leadership in place. That's not what we're meant to do, and that's not > how we're operating. Agreed in general -- but currently it's not possible for community members to influence our biggest sub-project (Core) and maybe that was one of the reasons why I asked for above. A proper "Fedora Core Steering Committee" with community members could help to silence that wish. > [...] > FEDORA SUMMIT > ============= > [...] > We will also make it a priority to have an IRC channel open on Mon, Tue, > and Wed that people can be a part of, in which we will do our best to > "broadcast" what we are discussing at any time. <participating_in_the_fedora__project_is_also_meant_to_be_fun_now_and_then> What about the evening sessions? Will there be some beer, Tequilla Sunrise and Apple-juice available on IRC in the evenings after the hard work is done? </participating_in_the_fedora__project_is_also_meant_to_be_fun_now_and_then> > We'll also do an "end of day" summary like Karsten asked for, and publish > as complete a transcript of what's going on as we can manage. Nice, many thx. > OTHER TOPICS > ============ > [...] > - Desktop usability (acroread, java, flash, etc.) > This is the post controversial topic of all. Greg and I have been > spending a lot of time on this. It's a further topic for the Fedora Board > and Fedora Summit. My 2 cents on that: Let the Fedora Unity project handle that in a special sub-project, but help them to get it realized -- It's simply much easier for someone@xxxxxxxxxx to get an answer when knocking on Adobe's/Sun's door and asking "may we ship your product in a add-one yum repo named foo". > [...] > FINAL THOUGHTS > ============== > > Reading through all of those emails, the one thing that really struck me > and made me think was the comment that "everything in Fedora takes a long > time." > > I agree. And I hate it. But I don't know how to fix it, other than just > by continuing to push through barriers when they come up. Well, my 2 cents: I sometimes think the Fedora Project and it's sub-projects could need a bit of more support by Red Hat/someone that gets payed for that work. It's probably not that much that is missing, and I think just one person could help it a lot as long as he isn't assimilated into the internal Red Hat collective ^w machinery ^w workflow to much (but enough to get things realized). (And just for completeness: That might sound as I wanted to do that job -- maybe somewhen in the future I might be interested in that, but currently I'm quite happy with my present job). > If I sit back > and try to evaluate the work that I have done since I took the job of > "Fedora Project Leader" back in mid February, I certainly don't think I'd > give myself top marks. I think I've done a good, but by no means > fantastic job. I think you did a good job and things are evolving. That takes time (I invested quite some time in this discussion and should wanter off again to get the work in Extras-land done -- there is also still so much to do). > [some insight to Max's thoughts] As I said: Many thanks for your work. It is much appreciated. > Anyway, I hope this email has answered some of the major topics from this > list the last few days. [...] It did for me. Thanks for summing them up. CU thl _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board-readonly mailing list fedora-advisory-board-readonly@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board-readonly
