On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 10:28 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 10/6/06, seth vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 09:35 -0400, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > > > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > On 10/4/06, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I hope you are understanding it correctly because that is how I > > > >> > understand it. I think this is the best idea I have heard so far. > > > >> > > > >> There is a subset of users -- we don't know how large -- who will never > > > >> use yum because either (a) they won't have the bandwidth to use it, or > > > >> (b) > > > >> they won't even understand that they need to use it. > > > >> > > > >> I still think that the Firefox technique will give us a better > > > >> cross-section of data. > > > >> > > > >> Let me think about it. I need to send a note to the docs folks anyway -- > > > >> part apology, part analysis. I'll cc: this group as well. > > > >> > > > > > > > > Just pointing out that about half of the machines I install FC on > > > > don't have X installed, much less firefox. > > > > > > That's a good reason to put a tool in that does register new servers. > > > Well, maybe register is the wrong word. That implies a lot of things to > > > me. But certainly "get counted." Which is different than "track." > > > > > > I guess it's good to talk about the metrics we're interested in. That > > > will drive how we build something: > > > > > > 1. Tracking unique desktop users. Also, how long do they use it for? > > > On the weekends? On weekdays? Do they stop after a number of days of > > > use? One day never to return? These are very useful statistics in > > > realizing what kind of job we're doing. > > > > > > > > > that's more invasive than I think we should be. > > > > we can count the total number of connections and we can count the > > connections to which distro and on which days. > > > > But we SHOULD NOT track a given ip to figure out what they're doing > > and/or when. > > > > That's inappropriate and I will resist it. > > > > It is inappropriate if it is not known by the user. If it is a > voluntary agreement between the user and the Fedora Group that the > user knows what is tracked, how the data is anonymized, how the data > is being used, and how it can be turned off then it is something that > people can trust and not in my view of the world inappropriate. > > Example: > > Inappropriate: Putting the tracking data into mugshot and installing > it by default into FC7. A person sees a benefit but doesnt know that > they are being tracked. > > Appropriate: On first login of a desktop, if the > fedora-help-us-help-you.rpm is installed, then a pop-up comes to the > user and says: we would like to get data from your usage of the > desktop. These are the things that we are tracking, and if you want to > participate click yes. If you want to see what we collected, click on > the blue hat in the corner, if you want to stop collecting, either > remove the RPM or right click on the blue hat and choose "Stop > tracking." opt-out is the WRONG way of doing this. It makes fedora malware. -sv _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board-readonly mailing list fedora-advisory-board-readonly@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board-readonly
