On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > How can the community help? If the patch is in the wild, try to > > compile with the patch. If the compile fails, fix it, and provide a > > working patch / srpm in the bug. That way just about any package > > monkey (like me) could push it through the build system. > > Well, as I wrote, the updated spec file is in CVS already for some days > now and it build and works fine here on FC5 x86_64. > > Further: How could Red Hat help? *Red Hat should ask for help in > situations like this!* There are a lot of people around in > Extras/Fedora-land that are willing to help in situations like this, but > probably nobody is going to step up without a external trigger. We are > used to @redhat-maintainers that take care of their packages on their own. +1. So let's ask this question: why are we not making more progress on the "community maintainers working on core" dilemma? The answer, from where I sit: we're bogged down in technical details. Fedora Core and RHEL still share a lot of infrastructure, and while we're in the process of pushing FC6 / RHEL5 out the door, we're not going to have a lot of cycles to solve this problem. Also, unlike with Extras, we can't simply *do it*. RHEL needs the Fedora linkage. The next question, then: what processes can we put in place that will allow trusted community developers to submit patches in a "fast track" way, such that the official RH maintainer can simply take a quick look, rebuild, and release? It could be as simple as adding a keyword to bugzilla. > <unfair mode> > Well, that factor didn't stop Ubuntu from releasing a Firefox update > even slightly before mozilla.org did: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2006-July/000367.html > Tue Jul 25 09:49:50 BST 2006 > </unfair mode> It's not unfair at all. It's the key comparison. Marketing is one thing -- and Ubuntu does really well at that because they're built to do exactly that -- but technical excellence is another. If Ubuntu is getting updates out faster than the current version of Fedora, then Fedora needs to catch up. And if that means figuring out a way to empower community developers *now*, then that's exactly what we need to do. > BTW, I hope we get something like the comaintainership in Core in the > longer term (see > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-list/2006-July/msg00960.html > for the plans on co-maintainership in Extras -- I hope this can > influence Core in the longer term, too) Yep. IMHO, it's the next most important thing we need to figure out. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board-readonly mailing list fedora-advisory-board-readonly@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board-readonly
