Forwarding this internal RH conversation. Maybe it's time to temper our "Ogg uber alles" position a bit. Maybe it's time to link to Fluendo prominently from the default desktop -- have a web page on the desktop entitled "Click here for MP3 support". Or similarly, "Click here for Java support". And then we use the page for educational purposes. "Dearest user, MP3 and/or Java are fascist, but if you want to succumb to fascism for the sake of convenience, by all means, go ahead, and here's how to do it legally." We would be more temperate in our messaging, of course. Simple, legal, solves a lot of people's problems. At the cost of a bit of moral high ground, but if we can educate while solving the user's problem, maybe that's not a bad tradeoff after all. Somnething to be said for a good bully pulpit. --g --------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Foundation || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- On Mon, 2006-05-15 at 15:07 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Jon Masters (jcm@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > > If I install Ubuntu, I can trivially get to plugins that add missing > > functionality via repositories that I hosted overseas and this is well > > known. With Fedora, it's well known too within a certain crowd, but you > > could publicly *advertise* a $20 plugin and deliver it easily enough. > > http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=plugins When I said others do this already, I was refering to the likes of Fluendo - who do an excellent job too. IMO we should be pointing people at them or reselling and cutting them a deal out of it, but people should be able to go to redhat.com/fedoraproject.org and click through to a point that they've got a "working" system after paying $20. It should be so fool proof that anyone writing stories about us has no reason not to have found the updates - so they install the software, get a warning on first login about patented/encumbered technology and have a simple option to "fix" that. Then you'll get much more positive stories. Jon.