Re: Missing RHEL 9 buildroot packages in EPEL 9 buildroot

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On Tue, Mar 01, 2022 at 04:21:56AM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 3:07 AM Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2058274
> >
> > fails to build with:
> >
> >   DEBUG util.py:444:  No matching package to install: 'ocaml-dune >= 1.0'
> >
> > This package is in RHEL 9 buildroot (ocaml-dune-2.8.5-5.el9.x86_64).
> >
> > I read an earlier thread ("Subject: [EPEL-devel] Re: Packages
> > disappearing from the EPEL 9 buildroot") and it seems to indicate that
> > RHEL 9 buildroot packages aren't going to be available in EPEL 9.
> > This seems crazy, is it really correct?
> >
> 
> It's not crazy. EPEL is intended to build on RHEL content, which means
> we can't depend on something RHEL doesn't publish. If Red Hat wants to
> publish their buildroot repo, then sure, we could use it.

I wasn't very clear, but I was addressing my remark at Red Hat.
There's really no reason why we (Red Hat) don't publish buildroot, in
fact my personal view is we ought to for open source reasons.

> Just because it happens to exist in the CentOS Stream 9 buildroot
> content does not mean we would be able to rely on it once we replace
> CentOS Stream with RHEL for EPEL 9. Thus, we don't use the CentOS
> Stream 9 buildroot either.

So this was going to be my next question - is it that difficult to use
C9S buildroot packages to replace the "missing" ones?  AFAIK they
ought to be almost identical.  Obviously they are rebuilds and they
might be a little out of sync, but saves EPEL doing a literal third
rebuild of the same content!

> If we did, we'd wind up in a situation where packages were built once
> and then not buildable ever again. That already kind of happened when
> we initially had that buildroot repo in the EPEL build environment and
> it made it way harder for us to figure out what gaps we had for things
> to build against RHEL later. We've fortunately dealt with the small
> number of cases that occurred from then.

I'm not sure I totally understand this bit.  Is it right to say that
packages wouldn't be "buildable ever again" only in the case where we
used C9S buildroot and then dropped it?  If we just use C9S buildroot
packages + RHEL 9 packages - forever - we'd be OK?

Rich.

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