On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:32 PM Troy Dawson <tdawson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > In our last EPEL Steering Committee meeting, Carl brought up a new proposal for our epel9 / epel9-next rollout. Sometimes IRC isn't the best way to explain things like that, it got a little confusing. Carl and I had a good video chat to clean up confusion and talk about some pros and cons of the various proposals. > Here are the three proposals. > > * PLAN A > Plan A is basically what we've been working towards for the past couple of months. > - launch epel9-next now-ish (ideally aligned with c9s launch promotion) > - After RHEL9 goes GA > -- perform a mass branch and mass rebuild to populate epel9 > -- launch epel9 after RHEL9 GA is launched. > > ** Plan A Pros: > - epel9-next and epel9 are only set up once, and not changed > - ready to go now > > ** Plan A Cons: > - complexity and added work of mass branch and mass rebuild > - mass rebuild will have a moderate rate of failure due to buildroot differences (unshipped devel packages) > - epel9 not available at rhel9 ga > - confusing messaging to packagers: > -- target epel9-next for ~6 months > -- after epel9 exists target that instead, only use epel9-next when needed > - confusing messaging to users: > -- use epel9-next now for c9s and rhel9 beta > -- use epel9-next temporarily at rhel9 launch but don’t leave it enabled > -- use epel9 primarily once it exists > > > * PLAN B > - epel9-next stays the way it is currently setup. > - Setup epel9 using RHEL9 Beta for the buildroot. > -- Pull in any errata as it comes. > -- Use the repos you would for RHEL9 GA: AppStream, BaseOS, CRB > - Launch epel9 and epel9-next together (In 1-2 weeks). > - When RHEL9 GA is released, switch epel9 buildroot from RHEL9 Beta to RHEL9 GA > > ** Plan B Pros: > - simple messaging to packagers: > -- epel9 is the primary target, use epel9-next only when needed (same as epel8-next) > - simple messaging to users: > -- use epel9 everywhere (epel-next-release is a recommends on c9s) > - no mass branching > - no mass rebuild > - No confusion from using the full CentOS Stream buildroot > -- epel9 buildroot will only have AppStream, BaseOS and CRB > > ** Plan B Cons: > - potential for large divergence between rhel9 beta and ga > - changing our messaging right before the launch > > > * PLAN C > - epel9-next stays the way it is currently setup. > - setup up epel9 using c9s for the buildroot > -- Use the repos you would for RHEL9: AppStream, BaseOS, CRB > - freeze epel9 buildroot before c9s switches to 9.1 content > - launch epel9 and epel9-next together (1-2 weeks) > - switch epel9 buildroot from frozen c9s to rhel9 ga later > > ** Plan C Pros: > - simple messaging to packagers: > -- epel9 is the primary target, use epel9-next only when needed (same as epel8-next) > - simple messaging to users: > -- use epel9 everywhere (epel-next-release is a recommends on c9s) > - no mass branching > - no mass rebuild > - No confusion from using the full CentOS Stream buildroot > -- epel9 buildroot will only have AppStream, BaseOS and CRB > > ** Plan C Cons: > - potential infrastructure complexity of freezing the epel9 buildroot > - changing our messaging right before the launch > > > Please let us know what you think. > If we do choose to go with Plan B or C we will need to make the decision fairly quickly. > I like Plan C, personally. Especially given how easy it is to work with the RHEL maintainers with CentOS Stream 9 right now, when it's easy to get content from buildroot added to CRB. Post-GA is way more painful and slower. There's also the benefit of on-ramping folks using the RHEL 9 beta too. I've been testing some builds for an EPEL-like thing for some dev work effectively by doing Plan C, and it has been working fantastically well. So I'd love to see Plan C executed ASAP, so I can move that work into EPEL proper. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ epel-devel mailing list -- epel-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to epel-devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
