Hi Ronan If you are careful with the partitioning part of the install Studio64 won't destroy your XP partition. I had a 64 bit and 32 bit version of gentoo installed plus XP. I've now settled with 32 bit gentoo. Personally, after trialling studio64 I went back to Gentoo.I found studio 64 was too limited in the available packages and customisation. MusE was not available at the time I installed (it might be now but I don't know). If you need VST support there are some custom ebuilds available. However, if you want a quick and easy to install studio64 is fantastic, everything worked straight after install. cheers Allan On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 11:55 -0800, ronan mcallister wrote: > I've installed OpenSuse 10.2, and I can't seem to get Jamin to work: > > I try to start jackit and get a problem with a plugin not found (even > though it's actually on my disk): > > # jamin -r -vvv > jamin 0.95.0 > (C) 2003-2005 J. Depner, S. Harris, J. O'Quin, R. Parker and P. > Shirkey > This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it > under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details. > Cannot find plugin 'sc4_1882.so' > Cannot find plugin 'fast_lookahead_limiter_1913.so' > Required plugin missing. > > can you help? > > Thank You, > Ronan > > > On 1/23/07, ronan mcallister <bass.woofer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Johan, > > Thanks for your continued thoughts on this. > > Now that I've broken my Suse 10.1 boot (tried a kernel update > - no good) -- I have an option of installing any one of the > music distros, eg Studio64 (I haev a pentium D proessor) -- or > others like gentoo you have mentioned. But Gentoo's > installer doesn't recognise my SATA drives. > > I'm writing to ask about Studio64 and the other distros > relative to what you have said and considering my needs: I am > not a musician, although I'd like to keep music generation, > recording and mastering in mind -- rather I intend to use > Linux as a digital solution in prosound and high-end home > hi-fi applications, replacing commercial product$ with better > and more flexible software. > > The Studio64 "readme" warns that upon installation, the > existing partitions may get over-written. Most of these > distros warn about that -- I've got my XP production OS on my > first SATA drive, and when I had Suse 10.1 working it > installed flawlessly on my second (fresh) SATA drive dual > bootable vis Grub. > > From your experience, in terms of installation robustness and > maturity, would you pick one or the other of these distros > over the other? > > Will Studio 64's install overwrite my partitions or is this > just a warning? > > Are any of these distros any better with managing and > processing "live" sound (not a Live CD -- but an Installed > Linux) ? EG, I want to signal-process live audio as in live > concerts as well as use something like bruteFIR for home-hifi > and home theater (eg to implement digital crossovers, filters, > acoustic analysis, etc). Most of the folks I've discussed > this with use Linux audio tools for > creating/modifying/mastering studio music not "live" sound. > > Thank you again, > Ronan > > > On 1/19/07, Johan De Groote <johan.de.groote@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > On Friday 19 January 2007 16:28, ronan mcallister > wrote: > > Hi Klangmeister, > > > > Thanks for the advice, sorry for the *long* reply. > > > > What Linux/distro do you use? > > Using Gentoo with an DIGI5296 and ADI-8 AE. The > DIGI96/8 is in another pc at > the moment. No problems unless running "emerge > --rsync" while recording. > > > > > Since I posted this I've been experiencing "..But > you'll pay dearly > > for it" with an issue I have on Suse 10.1 and my > inbuilt Intel 82801G > > ICH7 multichannel sound card. My hope was to > install and run up Linux > > and test the inbuilt audio software, but I can't > seem to get even the > > most basic features to work -- I've posted > elsewhere, but this group > > seems to be the most active. I think the problem is > not Alsa but Jack > > as I can playback wav's and capture audio through > Alsa (eg aplay, > > amarok), but anything I playback through Jack > connections (Ardour etc) > > is distorted - noisy - clicky and no answer found > yet. I'm not sure > > how to troubleshoot Jack. > > > > Do you know of a better forum to ask about how to > troubleshoot Jack? > > I suppose installing a 9632 would add to my woes > rather than cure > > them. > > > > Nevertheless, I will probably try to get this > resolved before I invest > > in an RME. At least I need to understand Jack as > I'm sure I'll need > > it. One issue I have with the RME is that my media > center PC only has > > one PCI slot. I'll need to pull out some other > capability or find a > > PCI extension bay... > > > > >You need one input channel per speaker and > apparently three outputs. > > >While I personally think that that is overkill (why > not make a good > > >analog crossover), that's what you'd have to do. So > for a 5.1 system > > >you'd need 16 channels (3x5 for 5 surround channels > plus 1 for the > > >sub). > > You can make the analog x-over as good as you want but > you will never be able > to correct for phase and delay. A digital x-over an do > this when you > implement a filter followed by a phase corrector. But > before this becomes > something that you can actually hear you have to spend > far more time and > money on your room than any normal person does. If you > have the luxury of a > separate acousticaly optimised listening room it > starts to makes sense. > > > > > Overkill? perhaps... probably! Ultimately I will > implement > > auto-room-eq, loudspeaker management, and sub-bass > enhancement with my > > crossovers. This for home theater/audio as well as > the biggest > > challenge: prosound, wherein the flexibility digital > offers in these > > areas is attractive. Yes, we can purchase DBX and > other loudspeaker > > "do it all's" (EQ, xover's, > delay/compression/limiting) and at some > > point I may decide the time invested in implementing > this in Linux via > > "effortware" isn't worth the trouble (my time is > worth something I > > keep saying...). > > I bought the RME for the same reasons as you (x-over, > phase and delay > correction) but decided that my time _is_ worth > something to me. So I dropped > it. The advantage of the RME cards is that you have a > lot of IO on a single > card, and that you can add cards without problems > later. > > > > > BTW have been looking at other signal processing > products like Signal > > Wizard (DSP without tears) and an exciting analog > product > > "SonicMaster" by Anadigm ( www.anadigm.com) but alas > these both so far > > fall short in terms of our long-term goals. The > closest thing I've > > seen is the low-cost DBX unit (driverack pro) which > does pretty much > > everything but clean your dishes however this won't > work in all > > situations. > > > > Am I right in that the 9632 with external IO cards > would prevent the > > need for external AD/DA? not sure I'm prepared for > the cost of all > > the non-analog RME solution apparently requires. > > In a way they are external AD/DA, only they sit inside > our pc. I would not go > for the RME internal IO cards as they will take a lot > of space in the pc, and > I would prefer the pc away from the audio and go > digital to the setup. > Perfect situation for RME gear. Any AD/DA convertor > that has ADAT interface > is usable. I use both a RME ADI and a Fostex VC-8. It > will cost, but what you > want will cost whatever way you build it. > > > > > >From what I can tell, the RME has about the best LF > response (among > > other things) -- my infrasonic processing will need > to go down to 8Hz > > and the RME appears to be good to 5Hz. Yup, we will > be using some > > sort of long-throw woofers with low efficiency and > lots of power for > > 8-80Hz sub-bass. > > The RME is digital, so it could go to DC. But the DA > convertors will be your > limit. I don't see what usefull info there is at 5 Hz, > but that is your > problem I guess. > > Enjoy, > Johan > > > > > Thanks alot, > > Ronan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/19/07, Roman Katzer > <klangmeister@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi Ronan, > > > > > > first, RME Firewire devices are not supported > (yet) AFAIK. > > > > > > On 16/01/07, ronan mcallister > <bass.woofer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > I'm writing to ask about the RME cards > relatively to Linux (I'm using > > > > Suse 10.1) -- which RME cards are the most > fully-featured to work with > > > > ALSA in the various product lines? Which cards > within those most > > > > actively "supported" by the driver developers > are the most robust and > > > > the best cost/feature wise? Which have the most > flexibilty? > > > > > > The flexibility part depends on your needs. I use > a bunch of > > > Multifaces (>15) and Digifaces (>8) on a number of > machines (>24), as > > > well as three MADI systems and one HDSP9652. The > MADI systems have the > > > highest number of I/O channels. The HDSP 9652 is > like a built-in > > > Digiface. If you need that many channels, you > would have to get a > > > Digiface and some ADI-8 AD/DAs. ADI-8 are high > quality units that > > > convert ADAT to analog and vice versa, at a pretty > high price. > > > I also tried using Alesis units that also do > analog to ADAT > > > conversion, but all odd channels have a 1.3 sample > latency with > > > respect to the even channels, so they're unusable > to me. > > > > > > > The 9632 can handle supposedly 6 I/O > simultaneously. > > > > Is my assumption I'd need one output card for > use to implement a 2X6 > > > > analog I/O correct? > > > > > > You need one input channel per speaker and > apparently three outputs. > > > While I personally think that that is overkill > (why not make a good > > > analog crossover), that's what you'd have to do. > So for a 5.1 system > > > you'd need 16 channels (3x5 for 5 surround > channels plus 1 for the > > > sub). > > > > > > > Which of the RME cards are most actively > used/supported? > > > > > > Support is good for all PCI-based cards. Keep > your mitts off the > > > Firewire units. > > > > > > > Are there any other sound cards with similar > characteristics that > > > > might be a better choice? > > > > > > I don't know of any that are that good. For > that reason I (well, my > > > company) uses RME. > > > > > > > I can buy dedicated prosound or > > > > home hifi equipment (loudspeaker management > system) to do the same for > > > > less money -- yet I'd rather implement in > something like BruteFIR and > > > > Linux if I can avoid commercial equipment. > > > > > > Not to mention the flexibility you'll get. But > you'll pay dearly for it. > > > > > > > Oh and one problem with the RME card is if I > need onboard I/O cards, > > > > it will take up more PCI slots than I have (I > only have one spare PCE > > > > card). I'd have to find a PCI extender etc. I > wonder if I should > > > > look at a fully outboard firewire device? > > > > > > RME HDSP 9652 takes one PCI slot and one > additional slot cover without > > > occupying the actual slot. Plus external AD/DAs. > > > > > > HTH, RoMan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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